I am agreeing with Demon.I
can't agree more with him.
As he said :
If players actually want to change the map, they just have to type rtv, it's not that hard, + commands are showing in the chat (In green).
Travis didn't had to guide them so the players need to vote.Plus, if he was only making a vote to change the map to another one, even if there was OTHERS solutions to delete the "spawnkill" problem, so if Travis only made a vote in order to make a real RTV, with having the choice of at least a few maps like in the basic rtv vote, I wouldn't be so harsh.But right now he just gave to the players one choice, wich I think is unfair seeing the ability of the players to think and type "rtv" in chat.Travis just influenced them to vote for his map, because that was the only one he was showing as the "solution" of the spawnkill.Or there was other, almost everyone knows them, I won't write them again, just looks at Demon's posts.
But the fact that Demon just cancelled his vote isn't nice too.He could have used admin chat, or steam.
And just to clear things : Both Demon and Travis are nice players in their own ways, both make nice maps, and both of allstars_v3 and Iceworld are nice maps.I don't want to take a definitive side, this isn't a war, we therefore need a united admin team.The solution ? Do like me and some other, invite every admin to be in your fl and create a special "Area 51 admins" category, and then if there's a problem just message them.
Also, all maps are nice in their own ways.The ones that talks about "Heerr bro huurr kidz this map won ur just a mad mapper
" are total kids, and sorry for the saying, but thoses need to get back to the primary school if they are keeping this mentality.
So let's recap :
1) - The Travis's act :
The problem :Travis used an admin command to influencate players to change the map to his.
Why ? Because of the spawnkill.
Is this fair ? At my point of view, not because if players really wanted the map to change, they would have done an rtv themselves.
Was there any other solution ? Yes.He could have freezed the players at the beginning, restarted the map or just make the players unkillable for a few secs.Plus, if it was really a 'bag ass' like we say in france, he could have made an rtv with the maps that has already been nominated.
So for me - Travis acted bad as an admin.
2) - Demon's replie to Travis's unfair vote :
Did he overreacted ? No.Maybe Travis and Demon had some 'bad luck' in their 'friendship' but each of them did not overreacted.Demon used, in my point of view, the
worst solution : Deleting Travis's vote.He could have used admin chat or steam, or the chat group.
3) Travis's ban :
That was
NOT needed, an oral/writed explain/warn would have been better and maybe it would have oslve the problem easily.
4) The fate of the wrestlers :
No admin removal.A simple warn would be the best solution.
5) - Assemssment of the case :
Wa need a better, united admin team.We need good admins that don't overruse commands/make favoritism.We need an admin team that actually promote egality and democracy on the server.We need a unite admin team ! How to do that ? Add each pther to your friend list even if they are not a friend of yours.Learn to use the admin/group chat.And let's stop making shitty reports about each others, but we won't stop until admins learn to talk before using their .45 semi-automatic /kick /ban /vote pistol.
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I said all I got to said on that case.
If you was too lazy to read it all, before posting a 11 year old boy comment, just read this, this is the main message :
We need an united admin team so we can apply law on the server without worrying about the other's feeling, so we can discuss properly like gentlemens instead of making shitty reports that shows to the other people how much we are non-organized.Bot of the 2 admins involved in this dark case are both innocent and guilty.
PS : I'm kinda tired and sickness hit me.If I made bad grammar or faults, or if you didn't understood, ask me and I'll make a clearier version of it when I have time.
PPS : Im just saying my opinion as an admin and a long-time player.Thanks for considering as it is, I don't want to go on a specific side or to start a fight.